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Season 3, Episode 12: How To Hurdle The Bumps in the Road to Healing with Dr. Christine Schaffner

By Jodi Cohen

The road to healing is an exciting one – but not always easy. Some people will find that there are hurdles to overcome, as their body shifts into repair mode. In this episode of Essential Alchemy, Jodi is joined by one of her dearest friends, Dr. Christine Schaffner, to talk a bit about the “bumps in the road” that people encounter when recovering from chronic or complex illness.

Dr. Christine Schaffner is a board-certified naturopathic doctor who specializes in chronic illness. She has helped hundreds of thousands of people reclaim their wellness by going beyond biological medicine, and looking at all systems of medicine and healing modalities – allowing them to reveal their brightest light!

Tune in to learn more about:

  • [01:49] – Understanding the living matrix
  • [10:36] – It all starts with blood flow
  • [15:22] – Lymphflo cream (and other products that help get things moving)
  • [27:02] – What you need to know about bile flow

About Dr. Christine Schaffner

Dr. Christine Schaffner is a board-certified Naturopathic Doctor who has helped thousands of people recover from chronic or complex illnesses. Through online summits, her Spectrum of Health podcast, network of Immanence Health clinics, and renowned online programs, Dr. Schaffner goes beyond biological medicine, pulling from all systems of medicine and healing modalities–helping patients reclaim their wellness and reveal their brightest light.

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Jodi: Hi, I am Jodi Cohen, your host, and I’m. [00:01:00] Thrilled Beyond Measure to share. My dearest friend Dr. Christine Schaffner, who is a board- certified naturopathic doctor. She has helped hundreds of thousands of people recover from chronic or complex in illness. Her specialty is chronic illness, and we’re gonna talk about some of the hiccups there and through online summits, her podcast, what’s your 

Christine: podcast called now?

It’s called The Spectrum of Health. Spectrum 

Jodi: of Health Pro Podcast, and her network of imminence health clinics and her renowned online programs. Dr. Schaffner goes Beyond Biological Medicine, which we’re gonna talk about pulling from all systems of medicine and healing modalities, and helping patients reclaim their wellness and reveal their brightest light.

Christine: Welcome, Christine. Oh, it’s so fun to get to talk to you in this space today, Jody. One thing that 

Jodi: I love about you is that you’re actually in the clinic, in, in all of your clinics, helping people every day and really noticing kind of the, the blind spots that a lot of people [00:02:00] miss. And so I’m hoping to delve into one of those blind spots.

You know, a lot of people use our parasympathetic oil, start to balance their nervous system, and sometime it’s just a smooth ride and sometimes they have a bump. They feel a little worse. They get a headache, they break out and they’re not quite sure what’s going wrong. You know, is the oil causing this or is there something else at play?

So I’d love you to talk a little bit about what you think might be happening. 

Christine: Yeah, absolutely. And, uh, I appreciate you seeing, saying that I love, um, patient care and it’s really, uh, profound and rewarding work. It’s hard work, but it’s, um, you know, I wouldn’t trade it in for anything and my patients teach me every day.

So everything that I. Try to share when we have these types of conversations is really what I’m observing. And then we’re all trying to, you know, figure out why and how, and you know, what’s going on. And I, I, I really appreciate what you said. The comment about, you know, using your oil, which everyone loves, and I know that you have people [00:03:00] applied around the vagus nerve often and.

You know, a lot of people, um, start to experience a state that they haven’t maybe experienced in a while, and that’s, you know, the parasympathetic state when the body starts relaxing and is able to do the work. Right. And if you have been stuck in this, um, Overactive sympathetic state for so long. Your, your body isn’t in healing and repair mode.

So you’re kind of, as you like to say, shifting the gears. And then if you’re shifting the gears without looking at all of this stuff that starts to happen. You could think, you know, if you’re just looking at it from that lens, like, oh, I have a headache. This is making me worse. I don’t wanna do it again. I, I would say no, not at all.

This is like a really great insight of what do we need to start looking at deeper and um, You know, we can talk about this in all sorts of different ways, but I, I think I wanna start with setting us up with this idea of what we would call the Living Matrix, right? And the Living Matrix is really James Oshman.

Dr. James Oman writes about this, and I always refer to him cuz he’s [00:04:00] brilliant and. If you like to read and get his big energy medicine book or get him on Kindle, and you can dive into these, um, concepts more deeply, and it’s just this really, you know, interesting idea, right? When we study anatomy, we think of the body in all these different compartments, right?

But that’s not how the body works at all. Where I highly. Interconnected network, right? And what he’s saying is that from our skin, through our interstitium, through our fascia and our connective tissue, through our extracellular matrix, um, and then basically micro tubulin and structural proteins cross over the cell membranes.

Um, connect with the cytoskeleton of the cell and go over the, um, you know, nuclear membrane and connect to the nucleus, which is where our epi, our d n a is. And that is where we can, um, affect, um, epigenetic expression that is all an interconnected highway. There’s no separation and [00:05:00] that when we’re. You know, affecting the body in these ways.

We can have profound changes deep inside the body. And I just will plant a seed too, that I feel that, you know, as my learning grows, I think about the living matrix. Not only, you know, starting here, but we have a field, right? A biofield that surrounds us, and then we have the unified field that surrounds that.

And so there’s this, you know, the deeper you go and the more observing that you have, there’s this. Um, there’s this field of information and energy that surrounds us that we can also access within our healing. And so, not to take us too down a far, another rabbit hole, but I just wanted to paint that picture.

And so when you’re, you know, talking about what’s happening, I like to just, you know, dial into one of those concepts there that, um, what we can call the extracellular matrix, which is in the living matrix. And that is really where. I focus my treatments. And I think that’s a lot of where, um, things go awry in our body.

That’s a lot of where, um, we see the toxicants, um, you know, build up where we see the [00:06:00] pathogens thrive, where we actually have trauma stored in the, the water within that space. And so when, um, we think about the space, um, I mentioned already, you know, this highly interconnected network, but the extracellular matrix, think about the cells.

And just think about all this fluid baiting the cells, and then think about. Structural proteins like collagen and elastin and hyaluronic acid. Um, and then think about immune cells like fibroblasts that make, um, new structural proteins and mast cells, right? We’re seeing all this mast cell activation and different immune cells and um, you know, really what is critical to our health.

Is that this space stays healthy and is able to drain well on a regular basis. And what I didn’t mention, I also wanna acknowledge is that there are, um, autonomic nervous system fibers within this space. So this is a space that our nervous system is surveying and in communication at all with [00:07:00] at all times.

And so, When we think about it, your body’s getting into parasympathetic, you know, switching in, you know, the vagus nerve is a big part of that control system. You know, acetylcholine, flooding that space. You’re starting to relax. Things are starting to maybe start to move, but what were, if it, what if they’re.

Um, there’s so much stagnation because of the, um, you know, again, the overactivity in the sympathetic state and you’re, you know, the modern world, right? We’re all too stressed out. We’re, you know, never, you know, making time for healing and repairing. And so, you know, especially if this is new to you, shift and then, oh my goodness, your, your body body’s like, wait.

You know, I, you know, I need to clean up so much and I don’t have, you know, the tools and support to do that. And so that’s when we can see a, um, what we would call, um, detox reactions or in the Lyme community, we call them harim reactions when we’re starting to, um, clear pathogens as part of this, uh, process.

And that is, [00:08:00] um, you know, a signal that we need to look deeper. And I. I’ll pause cause we can talk about solutions and why, but I am happy to clarify anything I just rambled about. I, I really loved the water 

Jodi: analogy. Yeah. And if you’re sending a ripple, you know, and if that has nowhere to go, it kind of just stays stuck and stagnant.

Christine: Yeah. Yeah. And my, um, one of my mentors, uh, Dr. Rob Cass, he owns a, uh, product line called Physica, and he wrote in him one of his books, um, you know, really our lymphatic therapies because I’m happy to talk about this. Um, at this point, our lymphatic therapies have the opportunity to affect epigenetic expression, and we were like, What the heck does that mean?

So what that means is, again, when you think about the anatomy books in this space and the extracellular matrix in this fluid, um, they’re often, you know, these green, you know, capillaries that are drawn in, and these capillaries are lymphatic capillaries and they drain the space and make sure that it’s moving.

So [00:09:00] then once it answers the lymphatics, That’s where our immune system engages with, you know, anything that it needs to mount a response to. And it brings, um, also waste out of that space. A lot of, you know, aside from just environmental factors, normal metabolic waste needs to be, um, recycled continually and move through the body.

And if there’s stagnation there or stagnation with a buildup on alongside of metabolic waste and environmental toxicants and pathogens, that’s when we see a degradation. In structural proteins we’re actually communication proteins as well, or the, um, immune cells get more hyper-vigilant or more irritated and create a chronic inflammatory state, or the cell membranes start to weaken or the cells can’t communicate, and that’s where disease begins.

You know, Dr. Alfred Pinger basically said, disease starts in the matrix, and that’s what he meant. So we have to. Drain the space by making sure that our lymphatic, um, system is draining. And we can talk more about, um, [00:10:00] that, but really, you know, um, I know you and I have many of these conversations over our walks, like, you know, really when we’re restoring health, we’re restoring flow in the body, right?

We’re restoring, um, removing, um, Stagnation removing, um, roadblocks to self-regulation and restoring, you know, flow. And really where, you know, we focus a lot on is the lymphatic, you know, drainage and lymphatic flow. And we can talk too today if you want, um, bio flow. You know, those two things alone get a lot of people better because that’s where I think a lot of the issues in the modern terrain lie.

Jodi: Yeah, I’ve heard, um, Chris Shade of Creek Silver Scientific say he oversimplifies, but he basically says the garbage flows from the cell to the lymph, to the blood, to the liver. To the gallbladder, to the gut, to the toilet. And that analogy implies that it just moves that there’s no bottleneck. And I love, cause what you’re pointing out is it doesn’t just go from the cell to the lymph.

There are steps there and there are [00:11:00] things that can go wrong. So if you could maybe take that and unpack it a little bit more and explain what’s happening and, and what people might do to. Ensure that it, it does flow the way we want it to. Yeah, 

Christine: absolutely. And I, I love, um, Dr. Christ Shade’s work and he’s educated me a lot as well.

And, um, I think you really greatly, you know, shared just now the overview. And, um, one thing, I wanna take a step back and, um, on top of the lymphatic system, just to not assume that people understand that it’s highly interconnected to our circulatory system, right? So we know that we have our heart. That basically oxygen-rich blood leaves our heart and it gets distributed in our body through arteries.

And then, um, the arteries get smaller into what we call capillaries. And in that capillary space is the tissue space, which really is what I was just sharing with extracellular matrix. And, um, fluid leaves the capillaries and a lot of it returns to the venous system to be recycled and returned to the heart.

But [00:12:00] a lot of it, Stays in that, um, extracellular matrix and becomes interstitial fluid or pre lymph. And so why I mentioned that is that we have to have really good blood flow to help have healthy lymph flow. And unfortunately, again, in the modern terrain, we’re seeing an increase of stagnation in the circulatory system.

And. There’s a lot of things in the monitor terrain that create what we call rule low or the stacking of red blood cells that make them harder to move through the circulatory system. I have, um, a friend, Dr. Beverly Rubik, who’s a biophysicist out of uc, Berkeley, and she actually even studied, um, being the six feet within a wifi router for 10 minutes.

She did the dark field of the, that blood and it’s already stacking. Um, we probably know of, you know, the virus that is also affecting, um, you know, basically. Um, coagulation already. You know, we know toxicants, we know pathogens. So, um, I wanna not neglect that cuz I’m, I’m feeling that’s more important now than ever.

And you know, so starting [00:13:00] there, when we think about the trickle down, you know, to have healthy blood flow, um, you know, always hydration movement, no brainer, right. And then, um, you know, I’m using more and more proteolytic enzymes. I love like limbo kinase and um, sase and those things. I also use different, you know, herbs like Ginkgo and Hawthorne, and you have a circulation blend that works well, um, you know, as well.

And so, um, I wanna just remind people that we’re only as healthy as we have flow and blood. Well, it starts with blood flow in the body and then we need to get the lymphatic system moving. And so the lymphatic system is a more reliant. On our movement and our ability to just lead a healthy life to keep that moving.

And so, um, really foundational therapies for that are gonna be, again, movement, hydration. Um, we know about dry skin brushing. Of course there’s the gu shas now that are fun to use. There’s also rebounding, there’s vibration plates. Um, our friend Kelly Kini, um, distributes a Flo Preso that I use in my office all the time and is amazing.

I know you have [00:14:00] one too, but it’s like compression, um, infrared, which is also gonna help, um, create exclusion zone water in the body, which creates more flow in the fluids in the body, and then it adds, um, You know, energy through, um, nano vibrational technology. So that’s one equip a piece of equipment, but there’s also, um, really skilled manual lymphatic brain drainage practitioners who really, if you’re really sick out there and if you, if you’ve, um, tried a lot of things and you’re not getting better, I would con consider working with a skilled therapist to, you know, help get that system moving.

And so those are just some things off the bat. And then I use a lot of, um, you know, either internal herbs or I also like using topicals and I’ve created some products and you’ve created some products that we, you know, can actually apply through the skin and that get basically absorbed through the dermis, absorb through the interstitium, and make their way to the lymphatics to create movement in the lymph And.

So, and also to, um, often the formulas have [00:15:00] a immune effect, right? So that there can be, um, you know, if there are, uh, chronic pathogens in the lymph, there’s also, um, supporting or embodies immune system to clear that and have some type of, um, either antiviral or antimicrobial activity there. So, um, so those are things, um, to think about the lymph.

Um, I’m happy to just pause there for a moment. Yeah, I was gonna ask 

Jodi: you, so I, I have a lymph oil, but you can, you talk about your lymph flow blend and kind of what it was designed for and why you created it and what 

Christine: it does. Oh, sure. Thank you. So, um, so my, um, good friend and mentor, Dr. Marco Ruggiero formulated this with me and he’s brilliant and he.

Studied. Um, you know, he started working with, um, children with autism and finding that they had a pooling of fluid in their brain or glymphatic fluid, um, that wasn’t draining. And that led to a lot of the neurological symptoms. And he is so smart that he kind of looked downstream and said that a lot of them also had congestion in their [00:16:00] cervical lymph nodes.

And if, again, the, um, lymphatic system is this highly interconnected network. So if you have s stagnation in one area, It can create stagnation in another. And so he looked downstream and said, Hey, we gotta really open up the neck and the cervical lymph nodes to help with draining the glymphatic fluid, especially at night.

And so that was really kind of what inspired him. And he, um, created, uh, you know, there’s a few key things about this cream and one is that, um, it is a transdermal delivery with. Um, one of the things that makes it so powerful and able to get into the tissues is that it has chondroitin sulfate in it and it’s microbial derives, so it’s not an animal source of, um, ofit and sulfate.

And it essentially, um, chondroitin sulfate is one of those proteoglycans in the extracellular matrix. And I think a lot of modern stress degrades the conjoin sulfate and affects the, um, basically electron reservoirs in the body to [00:17:00] deal with inflammation. So then, so essentially it’s kind of delivering and healing that part that, um, you know, of our, um, you know, basically matrix that is so effective in the monitor terrain.

And then there is a probiotic blend that the probiotics produce a peptide called macrophage activating factor. And like that’s name, it helps to, um, recruit our macrophages to help clean up, you know, what we’re seeing. And then it also, um, You know, has, uh, vitamin D three and oleic acid. So there’s a liposomal component component, and I left out a, a really important part about RIT and sulfate is that the more we learn about this too, I think it’s also, um, you know, again, we’re creating movement.

We’re healing and repairing. We’re supporting our immune system, but we’re also creating more structured water in the matrix to create more flow. So I think. I, I think the more I’ve worked with the screen, the more I have insights. You know, you think about why it works and then you kind of evolve your understanding.

I think it’s really [00:18:00] increasing exclusion zone water in the lymph and then the lymph can move more. And so people do have this experience you like with anything. When it works, it works. And for some people, you know, um, they need other strategies. But this has been a very successful product for us in that people really feel it, you know, and they feel it right away.

And so we have people put it. On their neck at bedtime to help with their brain health. Um, there, if you have any areas of pain or stagnation or congestion, you can apply it there. Um, scars are a big, um, disruptor for, um, lymphatic drainage and can, um, affect the fascia and affect the autonomic nervous system and all of that.

And so sometimes we have people put it on their scars to help, but, you know, create movement, you know, in that, that scar tissue. So, um, that’s been a really, um, fun tool that we’ve used over the years. Yeah, I 

Jodi: like it on the clavicle too. I do wanna ask though, I mean, we’ve kind of talked about Trojan horse remedies, like when you do them transferable and wrap them in fat, can you speak about delivering those, [00:19:00] uh, healing remedies kind of transdermally as opposed to just ingesting them as a supplement?

Christine: Yeah. Yeah, I think that’s a great point. Like when you think about it, right? Um, you know, I mean, anyone who’s listening to this, they know about essential oils, right? They know that the topical route is a, a really great way to affect our physiology. We know this even in conventional medicine, right? With, you know, transferal hormone patches and so forth.

And I think in our population it’s many, many fold. But, you know, a lot of my patients have compromised, um, digestion, right? I mean, we take something orally, which, you know, we, we do a lot of. Course oral things, you know, it has to do all this work to get absorbed and for our liver to metabolize and to get it throughout the body, right?

So it just takes time. And if you have a, you know, impaired digestive system or impaired liver uh, metabolism, it’s just not gonna be as effective. And so that’s one kind of constant thing to think about. And then, you know, again, You know, going back to what I said in the beginning, if we’re highly interconnected and we literally can [00:20:00] affect our epigenetic expression by doing things in the field or on the skin, you know, why not use that as a route?

Because again, it’s just gonna get delivered through this communication network, um, in a faster, um, you know, more elegant way. No, I 

Jodi: love that. I love that. And it’s a great product. I really recommend people using it. And you, you were mentioning we have this new fascia oil. Like I, I love, the other thing that I love that you do is you layer so eloquently, you know, you really, 

Christine: um, it, it’s 

Jodi: like you help people stairstep to help by just kind of putting 

Christine: all the right, um, 

Jodi: remedies in, in their path.

For them to kind of elevate and you don’t over, you know, I’ve been to practitioners that gave me like 50 supplements at once. You’re very thoughtful. So I’m curious like how you kind of combine lymph and your lymph, your lymph 

Christine: flow with fascia support. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Um, no thank you. And um, you know, [00:21:00] as we, I’m one of our rocks, you know, one of the things, I know the fascia blend is a new, uh, blend for you, but I already, um, we’re getting great feedback in the office and.

You know, I think they actually work really nicely together, that you can actually, for people who wanna play around with both, that you can actually put some of the essential oil with the lymph flow cream and play around with how that feels. You know, essential oils, you know, we’re working with the same principles and concepts right.

That I just shared with the, uh, the lymph flow, um, in transdermal remedies. And so, um, I, I feel like, um, I, I feel this is where, you know, we need so much support with all that we’re up against, you know, right now, um, and why we’re seeing all these chronic illnesses and, you know, just to pick apart, you know, one, you know, really pervasive toxicant and we know glyphosate, right?

Glyphosate is unfortunately pretty ubiquitous in our environment now, and we know that gly, uh, glyphosate is a glycine analog, and [00:22:00] glycine is one of the three amino acids that make up our collagen, which is a lot of what our fascia is made up of. It’s the most abundant protein in the body. And so, um, uh, essentially glyphosate can be interrupted where there should be glycine in our.

Um, you know, in our collagen. And so then we’re basically came integrative non. In this huge, um, communication highway in the body. And so I believe that that is, um, part of what’s disrupting the communication network and then why we’re seeing all of these more, um, connective tissue disorders, autoimmune illnesses that are affecting, um, you know, the connective tissue and so forth.

And then I, I do feel like the more that, um, we have tools, To heal and repair and restore communication in the fashion, the connective tissue, that’s what’s gonna lead us to health. So I, I feel like, I mean, there’s so many [00:23:00] things to break down and focus on when we’re looking at recovering someone, um, from a chronic illness, but I, I think this is foundational.

You’re like, I 

Jodi: just got such a full body, like Yes. You’re so right. Oh my goodness. Well, no, glypho side is a fairly, I mean, they kind of rolled it out in the 1990s, so it hasn’t been around that long, but I, I’m 

Christine: sure you’re right. Well, we’ve seen an explosion of certain illnesses in, uh, disease trends since that time.

And, um, Dr. Stephanie Seneff and her, um, friend, Dr. Nancy Swanson. Look at the disease curves and with the, the rise of glyphosate use, we’ve seen the rise of, you know, all of these, you know, um, chronic illnesses. So I I I, I do a lot of muscle testing in my office and, um, you know, it’s just another lens that we look at the body and we, um, you know, look at glyphosate and everyone is affected, unfortunately.

And, um, I, I have one little case anecdote. I had a, I have a woman who’s seen me that has [00:24:00] scleroderma, which is a connective tissue disorder. And, um, so in theory it is your, um, immune system attacking your connective tissue and colon.

And creating inflammation and it creates a stiffening in the body and the fascia. Um, and what, you know, I thought of is, um, I had her do the flow. So I had her, do you know, compression, you know, of her lymph in the collector urine with glyphosate, um, testing, and she had one of the highest glyphosate tests.

That I’ve seen. So that kind of, again, you know, this is just clinical anecdotes, but it kind of just made me think down this line, you know, more and more and, you know, we could talk all day about glyphosate and I, I know that it’s gotten so much more press, um, now, so I’m, I’m so happy about that. But we’re still daily for all the after, you know, effects.

Even when it, um, You know, hopefully one day isn’t used as widely, you know, it affects our microbiome and our liver CY four 50 system and our pineland and you know, it, it’s just [00:25:00] really like any, you know, every body system affects, unfortunately. 

Jodi: Well, no, and I’ve heard you speak about the perfect storm, the combination of the metals, the glypho, the emf, it’s like, The, um, the toxicants just keep getting more and more intense.

I’m glad you’re creating products that are bigger guns to help and it, it, it makes sense why drainage is so important because the issue is the toxicants that are, um, ingenious in terms of how they lodge in our system 

Christine: and hard to get out. Yeah, they, they really, um, yeah, they’re, as you said, like they’re, you know, they’re just, they’re, they’re deep within the body and they’re really, um, disrupting our, the communication on a, a profound cellular level that unfortunately has, um, you know, the effects that we’re seeing way too commonly.

Jodi: Yeah. Well, I, I mean, if, if anyone can, uh, Tame that it’s 

Christine: you my friend. Team effort. [00:26:00] Yeah, team effort. But yeah, I mean, where our tools are, you know, only having to evolve more and more and, and that’s where, you know, I know, you know, I like to talk about this, but it’s like this, um, combination where I really feel like how we can.

Can’t really recover, you know, the planet and recover our health and really see different trajectories, you know, doing all of these, you know, treatments to really restore, um, the terrain, but also not only like combining the best of what we would call bio regulatory medicine and the best of functional medicine, but also bringing in this whole other lens, um, to see the body.

And, and that’s through the lens, I believe, through like looking at the physics of the body and the biofield and. You know, how we can actually create, um, faster, stronger, um, hopefully more long lasting changes, um, within us, um, no matter what, Rob against. 

Jodi: No, I love it. And it, you know, that’s all very flowy, which is, you know, it is, it’s, it’s very [00:27:00] energetic.

It’s very soft. It’s much more gentle. Um, and before we wrap up, I’d love it if you could speak a little bit about the, the bile and bile flow and kind of what you bump into and what helps. 

Christine: Yeah, absolutely. And you know, and just as much as people have, you know, congestion in their circulatory system and their lymphatics, you know, the bile, um, flow is definitely, you know, I would say nine outta 10 of my patients have congested bile.

And so, you know, for, you know, everyone who just, um, needs a quick refresh, so, right, the liver cells, bile, um, bile then exits the liver cells into um, you know, make its way to the gallbladder. And then you know what’s in the bile is not only cholesterol. For all in fats and then emulsifiers to help digest her fat.

But it’s a route of elimination, right? This is a route that our liver is removing metabolic waste hormones, mycotoxins, toxicants, and you can see if you’re overwhelmed and overburdened. And then on top of maybe potentially, um, genetic, [00:28:00] um, propensities not to basically maybe have optimal phase one or two metabolism or what.

Um, Dr. Scheer, Kelly Holderman talk about with phase 2.5, like you even have a hard time getting that bile out of the cell into the bile ducts. Um, you know, there can be a lot of steps that go wrong, and then what we can see is that you’re, you know, that stagnation in the liver creates buildup and then that can, uh, again, Fact liver metabolism.

You know, we look at liver enzymes, right? To look at liver, um, health, and if your enzymes are up, that means that you’re, you know, breaking down liver cells and that that can happen if your bile isn’t flowing. And so I, I think about it not only as it really important for our digestion, right, and digesting healthy fats, but it, it is essential, um, to.

Removing, um, toxicants. And then part of how our physiology normally, um, is, you know, created is that we re reabsorb a lot of bile acid, um, to, you know, help recycle that pathway. And if you are [00:29:00] not eliminating these toxicants and there’s stain in the gut because you have, um, and you know you’re constipated or you have a.

Um, a microbiome that is also really dysbiotic in creating more problems. Then you can continue like all that hard work that the liver did to try to get rid of things. You can be reabsorbing and it’s this kind of like auto intoxication happening. So, um, so bio flow in, uh, conjunction with binders is really important, um, as a rotted elimination.

So I, I love, you know, I, um, I use a lot of quick, slower products, so I love their liver sauce and their bitters. I, um, also love cco tca, I like phosphite choline, uh, you know, just the bitter and cold cow herbs are very helpful. And then binders, you know, to help, um, shuttle and bind what’s coming out of the bile through the stool.

Making sure you’re having healthy, um, elimination, you know, healthy bowel movements. And then if you have congested bile ducts and congestion in the bile, you can be more prone to, um, fungal overgrowth or parasitic overgrowth in the bile [00:30:00] ducts. So that can be kinda another, you know, insult to that pathway.

So also, just as much as getting it to flow, you wanna also support. Decreasing, uh, microbial activity in that area. And so, uh, we use a lot of suppositories cuz suppositories can get up into the coral vein and get into the liver better. And so, um, I try to target more antifungal and antiparasitic herbs, you know, in, in the liver and in the bile ducts to help, um, reduce bile stagnation as well.

Yeah. And you have that great 

Jodi: class. The, um, the bio flow class. 

Christine: Yeah, bio liver flesh. I hope you do. We we did that in the past. Yeah. Yeah. Well, more, more exciting things to come. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So ca packs are a great way to support, um, you know, your liver, your gallbladder, you know, using your essential oils over the liver and the gallbladder.

That can also stimulate bio flow. So, you know, the vagus nerve is really important for bio flow. You know, all of these, you know, things are really, really important. [00:31:00] Yeah, you mentioned saunas earlier too. Yeah. You sauna’s always good. Yeah. Sauna’s a radical, you know, helping to get toxins out through the skin.

So the more that goes out of the skin, the less has to go through the liver and kidneys. So it can be really supportive. Mm-hmm. That’s wonderful. 

Jodi: And um, is there anything we haven’t talked about that 

Christine: you wanted to share? Last piece is, you know, we touched on a little bit right?

That there can be just as much as there’s, um, toxicants and pathogens and all that in the space, there can be stored emotions and stuck emotions. Right? And this is a really big part of where we, um, A store emotion in the body. So as you get things moving, you may also have the experience of, you know, old memories or, um, just different emotions, um, moving through your body and, you know, facilitating that with essential oils or flower remedies or have you been through a lot.

I would really encourage you to work with a provider who understands how to really work through, um, that trauma and not to do that alone, [00:32:00] um, through either like EMDR therapy, um, also even hands-on. Lymphatic worker, myofascial work that can move stuck in store to energy, um, you know, in the, um, in the connective tissue and in the lymph.

And so, um, so yeah, just, I, I do think that’s a really big part of the healing process and it’s ultimately our physical body is a barometer of our spiritual and emotional. State, right. So, um, don’t, um, I think it’s a side note. Think it, that’s actually probably more of the work that needs to be done and um, the physical body’s just helping to facilitate that awareness and release and letting go.

Um, and that’s really when you start to see movement in the body. Yeah. You 

Jodi: were the one that told me that when you kind of physically detox, you emotionally detox and 

Christine: vice versa. Our patients teach you that, and I, I’ve seen, you know, also to encourage people, to help facilitate it, you know, they’re all interconnected.

So if like you’re stuck emotionally, sometimes you need to start moving detox pathways. But if you’re [00:33:00] stuck detox way, um, in detox ways, maybe need to start moving emotions. You know, it’s kind of this, you know, everyone’s gonna be unique and different, but they’re all and are related. And that’s why we, we now write, like in Chinese medicine, right?

The liver is. Anger and resentment and frustration and, and we feel that right when your, when your liver cheese is stagnant, we know what that feels like. Especially women when their hormones are, , heightened and their liver is stagnant, they can have, um, around their cycle, irritability, frustration, weepiness, all of it.

Yeah. PMs is just liver anger. I love that. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty much. Right. Oh, great. 

Jodi: And I imagine so many people are gonna wanna learn more from you. How can they find you and how can they work with you? 

Christine: Dr christine so that’s where my podcast. And you can find out more about me.

And then my, uh, clinic in Seattle is called Imminence Health. And we have a office in California and we do a lot of telemedicine. So I work with a really wonderful team of providers and practitioners and we do this work every day. [00:34:00] Yeah. I highly 

Jodi: recommend you. Thank you so much for your time and your brilliance and all these amazing products you continue 

Christine: to create.

Oh, thank you Jody. Thank you for the opportunity.

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Jodi Cohen

Jodi Sternoff Cohen is the founder of Vibrant Blue Oils. An author, speaker, nutritional therapist, and a leading international authority on essential oils, Jodi has helped over 50,000 individuals support their health with essential oils.